Four More Years of Wynne?

I fear I might annoy some of my True-Blue readership here but I need to convey my disappointment with last night’s Progressive Conservative leadership results.

It’s not that I dislike Doug Ford as a person, but I truly do fear that he will give Wynne and friends so much ammunition for attack ads; whether deserved or not. Will we be able to get rid of this dreadful Liberal government that’s been ruining our province for the last 15 years?

Also the P.C. Party is obviously severely divided. The results were incredibly close and apparently Christine Elliott won the popular vote. In a strange sense I can now understand how Hillary supporters felt on the night of the last U.S. election.

Having said all that, I will work through my feelings of disappointment and do my best to get back on board the unity train for the sake of the party and province.

It might just take some time.

 

March 17 Update:

Starting to feel a bit more optimistic. It’s been a busy week with not much time to do more than scan headlines, but from what I’m seeing this Ontario election could be quite interesting. 

Interesting column in the Star by Jaimie Watt: Unfiltered Ford is the best chance for a PC victory in Ontario.

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76 Responses to Four More Years of Wynne?

  1. Ruth says:

    I will be voting for the PC member in my riding, regardless of who the leader is. That’s the only way to beat Wynne in the end. I’m wondering how many of the old guard will run in the election, might see some open nominations suddenly this week.

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  2. Greg says:

    I’m with Ruth as far as voting for whoever runs in my riding.
    I too worry about Ford and if there is any baggage that will suddenly come to light. Aside from his brother, Doug himself was at Toronto city hall for a long time. I’m sure Torstar reporters are digging through the archives feverishly to produce a slow release of weekly dirt to keep screwing the province over for their ‘progressive’ ideology. (I’d like to sue some progressives for taking a perfectly good word and turning it into something disgusting)

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  3. Samantha says:

    I think that we should remember the source of the “we win big with Christine but lose with Ford” story – the liberal media based on one poll. WK has an article up that analyzes the appeal of Ford as a politician. People in the province are hurting financially, and if Ford can run on fixing that I think he will have a lot of appeal. As in his acceptance speech – “relief is on the way” – who doesn’t want to hear that?

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  4. Anne in swON says:

    Conservatives are certainly not a monolithic bunch, are we? Certain policy positions and personalities affect us all differently. Many of the membership are far more progressive than I and I frequently find that frustrating. As some of you have probably ascertained I come from the Reform end of the spectrum and Patrick Brown’s rejection of policies on which he ran his leadership campaign left me cold. I could not have voted for him and I’m relieved that he resigned. Caroline Mulroney’s family and friend “connections” concerned me but I think I could have voted for her in June. My choice for leader was and is Doug Ford and I would have been disappointed had he not won. The knives will be out for him from both outside and inside the party. It’s now up to the rest of us to ensure that they won’t succeed.

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  5. Liz J says:

    Are we heading for the port of no hope with Elliott refusing to concede?
    What does she expect can be done and how long will it take to get it done?

    We have no time to be fighting this, it’s just making the party look like the gang that can’t shoot straight.

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  6. Liz J says:

    Another little tidbit, when it was first reported or leaked there was going to be a recount it said Ford demanded a recount, we thought Elliott had won. Turns out it was the opposite.

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  7. Anne in swON says:

    From what I’m reading Christine’s only recourse is through the courts. There is nothing more the party can do according to the constitution.

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  8. Greg says:

    I just read a twitter tidbit from Christina Blizzard. For liberals gloating about the PCPO leadership glitches, she points out that when McGuinty won the leadership 1996 various technical issues resulted in the winner not being announced until 4am the next day.

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  9. Miles Lunn says:

    Agreed fully. I think Wynne is toast so my worry is more this helps Howarth, but tough to predict. Ontario is a fairly centrist province and I think Elliott could have won over a lot of dissatisfied Liberals whereas beyond the base who will vote PC anyways, don’t know where he will pick up the extra votes needed to put him over the top. My bigger worry is he will be a one term wonder and 4 years of Ford followed by another 15 years of Liberals is not what we need. Luckily I don’t have to make the agonizing decision this June as I live in BC but certainly hope whatever happens on June 7th works out well for the province as a prosperous Canada needs a prosperous Ontario.

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  10. Liz J says:

    IMO, If Elliott were about the party as opposed to herself winning she would not be contesting the result. Enough already, we need to get rid of Wynne, nothing else matters at this stage.

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  11. Anne in swON says:

    From @CBCQueensPark (Mike Crawley) – “BREAKING: Christine Elliott will NOT challenge Ontario PC leadership result in court, CBC News has learned. She is giving her full support to Doug Ford. The uncertainty is over.” http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/doug-ford-christine-elliott-meeting-1.4571798

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  12. Liz J says:

    So happy to hear that, redemption all around!

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  13. Miles Lunn says:

    I think there are two ways of looking at this. I look it at through conventional lenses but I guess time will tell.

    Conventional: PC’s in 2014 only got 31% and federal Tories got 35% in Ontario in 2015. As such they need to win over some dissatisfied Liberals as well as Red Tory voters they lost earlier and I think Elliott could do this, but Ford seems like he would be more a turnoff to those. There was a strong gender gap under Brown, but reduced after he resigned. I fear Ford’s style will make it tough to get over a 1/3 of the female vote whereas Elliott could have gotten over 40%. Elections are less about voting for someone than voting against and Ford has high negatives and usually opposition leaders with negative approval ratings don’t win.

    Unconventional: Based on recent elections there are signs traditional voting patterns and left vs. right no longer matter, instead it is populist vs. elitist. Ford might hurt the PC’s in the wealthy ridings along the Yonge subway line, lakeshore ridings in the west GTA, Ottawa, and ridings with a university, but his populist appeal could help him in working class suburbs, ethnically diverse ridings, and some of your blue collar ones in Southwestern Ontario, Hamilton-Niagara, and Northern Ontario.

    Which of the two is right we will find out on June 7th.

    My three worries with are:

    1. If the PC’s only get a minority, nothing will get done or worse the NDP and Liberals will gang up to keep him out of office.

    2. He may be a one term wonder and we need at least two terms of the PC’s to clean up the mess.

    3. He will hurt Scheer’s chances in 2019. We won’t beat the Liberals in Quebec or Atlantic Canada, and in BC all three parties have their areas of strength thus none get a majority there. Prairies are already largely Tory, so if we want to beat Trudeau in 2019, Tories must do well in Ontario and I fear Ford might hinder that.

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    • joannebly says:

      Interesting analysis, Miles. I like your “Conventional-Unconventional” approach.

      Well at this point the die is cast and we shall see what happens! I’m not going to worry about the federal election yet. So much could happen inbetween.

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  14. Liz J says:

    Liberals must be working into the dark hours to dig up as much dirt as they can to use as ammo…they cannot run on their record, not any part of it.

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  15. Liz J says:

    One thing I wish could be done, Tanya Granic Allen’s idea be used, rip those wind turbines/bird killers/ eyesores/money eating things right out of wherever they are erected and put a stop to any that are being built.
    We need some common sense like we never needed it in our history.

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  16. Anne in swON says:

    With all four leadership candidates united and committed to running on June 7 the PC’s now have one common purpose – to defeat and replace the current Wynne government. Kudos to Caroline Mulroney who wasted no time yesterday as she spent the day door knocking. Huge respect to her! Come on, Ontario, let’s get it done.

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  17. Liz J says:

    Listening to a talk show host this morning who praised Doug Ford as one of the nicest human beings he has ever met.
    He seems truly interested in people, doesn’t come off as an aloof and certainly exudes the common touch.

    Let’s get going full steam ahead, help where we can to oust the Wynne Liberals, reduce them to third party status.

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  18. Liz J says:

    We can work on party policy and how to run a leadership race and count votes later!

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  19. Anne in swON says:

    Miles, let’s not worry too much about Andrea Horwath at this point. She and her party have their own problems to worry about. http://bayobserver.ca/labour-turmoil-in-local-ndp-constituency-offices/

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  20. Anne in swON says:

    Wow, just Wow! The Liberals must be running scared – via @ezralevant: “January: former Liberal cabinet minister Michael Bryant becomes executive director of the non-partisan charity, @cancivlib. March: @cancivlib goes after Conservative leader @fordnation like he’s some working class bicyclist on a Toronto city street. cc. @CanRevAgency” https://interland3.donorperfect.net/weblink/WebLink.aspx?name=E920186QE&id=3

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    • Liz J says:

      There need be no sore heads among Conservatives who truly want to defeat the corrupt Wynne government. We cannot trust what we hear in the media,they will seek and find opinions they want to hear.

      Doug Ford deserves respect from those who profess to be Conservative as he does what he needs to do to get the job done, ousting the worst government in our history.

      Never has there been such a clear choice for the good of this province.

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  21. Miles Lunn says:

    Another diplomatic screw up by Trudeau, the Belgian monarchy arrived for a visit and the German, not Belgian flag was on display. Yes they have the same colours but different order and German is horizontal while Belgian is vertical.

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  22. joannebly says:

    Thanks for doing such a great job with the comments here everyone!

    Having fun with my grandson this week during March Break. I will check in from time to time and free up any comments stuck in the filter.

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    • Anne in swON says:

      Enjoy, Joanne, they grow up so fast you have to grab as much time as you can with them. Btw, for those who are always in the dark about when Spring Break falls each year, it’s the week of March 15th. If the 15th is a Sunday, it’s the following week. If the 15th is a Saturday, it’s the preceding week. I learned that in Teachers’ College decades ago and it has proven true each and every year.

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      • joannebly says:

        Oh that’s a good tip! Thanks Anne. Now I know for next year.

        Yes you’re right about appreciating time with children. This little guy is actually eight now. He is so smart he teaches me all kinds of things and is already fixing my electronic stuff. We have very interesting discussions together. 🙂

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  23. Liz J says:

    Looks like Wynne is lost for new material, coming unglued out of the gate with talk about the PC’c cutting jobs.
    Hate to use the term, but “fake news” may be a big part of Wynne and her Liberals desperate attempt to cling to power.

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  24. Liz J says:

    Also, when Wynne promises more goodies we need to remind people of the massive debt and who is paying and will be paying generations down the road.

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  25. Miles Lunn says:

    Doug Ford’s handlers might want to help him brush up on his interviewing skills. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/pc-leader-doug-ford-cannabis-ottawa-morning-1.4573790 . If you listen to the interview cannot see this going over well with swing voters. There is still time to improve on it, but its something that needs to be fixed before the writ is dropped.

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  26. Anne in swON says:

    I don’t know, Miles, maybe the four lefties who now support Doug Ford had better listen to that interview and get back to being lefties they were before attending a Doug Ford event. What do you think? http://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/fatah-four-lefties-for-doug-ford

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    • Miles Lunn says:

      I think because Doug Ford is such an unconventional candidate he will scare away some traditional Tories but win over some who have never voted Tory before. The million dollar question is which group is larger.

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  27. ed says:

    Doug Ford was interviewed on CJAD Montreal this morning by Leslie Roberts. He handled it very well. I would say excellent, 10 on 10. My objective comment, seriously!! So much for what the media has said!!

    I think if the people really listen, really focus, they will not be hoodwinked by the media once again. It’s up to the people to be informed. They’ll get the government they deserve.

    A well-trained monkey could win the election, given how terrible this Liberal government has been. Finally, hopefully, the people of Ontario have had enough and will throw the Liberals out.

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    • Liz J says:

      The Unions will be shilling for the Liberals and or the NDP, Conservative for them is a dirty word. People have to realize what the unions of today can do to our economy, chase businesses and jobs right out of the country, at least that’s my take.

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  28. Liz J says:

    BTW, the Liberals are so desperate they’ll be digging deep for anything they can use against Ford,even his high school years.
    IMO people are tired of the usual political jargon, can’t cut through the fuzzy chatter, they are ready for plain talk, no fancy terminology. Ford has that common touch, common as in all people matter.

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  29. Greg says:

    Wynne is saying that getting rid of the carbon tax will result in the loss of 40,000 public service jobs. My reaction – it’s a good start.

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    • Liz J says:

      The Madam loves the unions, they work together to keep her in power.

      It’s got to be over for the Wynne regime, if it isn’t there’s no hope for this province.

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  30. Anne in swON says:

    OT: Remember Daniel Jean, the PM’s security advisor who pointed the finger at the Atwal affair being the fault of rogue Indian government agents? It looks as though M. Jean may have been covering his own behind. He had been the advance man sent to India prior to the PM’s trip. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/india-trudeau-trip-wrap-up-1.4550703

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  31. ed says:

    It seems obvious to me that the Liberals at both levels of government have one thing in common: buying the vote. They throw the money where they need the vote. For them, it’s not about the people it’s about them. Staying in power is their major goal. Hopefully, the youth of voting age in our country will come to realize this. Somehow the youth have to be reached, that we can gain their ear to hear the Conservative point of view. I think it’s essential to winning the election(s). Just my opinion.

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  32. Liz J says:

    Wynne is on a toss money out for votes spree. No matter how well placed the money might be, people need to realize she’s using a line of credit, adding to the massive debt she has racked up.

    There must be a law against the party in power tossing out goodies during an election period or close to it.

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  33. Liz J says:

    Mr and Mrs dress up and family are off to Disney World on vacation. I’m sure the children will enjoy this one much more than their family excursion to India.

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    • joannebly says:

      I feel sorry for those kids.

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      • Liz J says:

        It looks like a family unit where the parents are growing up with their children…it’s a work in progress. For some reason “flaky” popped into my head.

        Surely there’s a CBC camera following them and their entourage about Disney World, they are known world wide.

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  34. Miles Lunn says:

    Looks like Leadnow is going to be active in the next Ontario election, so not good. That was one of my worries about choosing Doug Ford is we can never appease the left, but I find when we scare them too much they fight back hard and sadly as we saw last federal election they are very powerful. They do however commission a lot of riding polls so will be interesting when those come out since if they all show the PCs well ahead they will have a big egg on their face.

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  35. Miles Lunn says:

    Interesting article on the Liberals by Susan Delacourt and seems bang on with Trudeau and I would add Wynne. https://www.thestar.com/opinion/star-columnists/2018/03/16/justin-trudeau-is-alienating-an-unlikely-group-loyal-liberals.html Many claim the PCs/Conservatives are no longer your father’s one as they have moved rightward which is true, but I think one could just as easily say the Liberals are not your father’s either as both federally and provincially they’ve moved away from the centre into NDP territory. Also seems at both levels they are very much are under 40 party and seem to write off large segments of the population whereas the Chretien/Martin Liberals didn’t do that. You are a white male, religious, over 50, or make over 100K a year, the Liberals at both levels have more or less told you to get lost, whereas the Chretien/Martin had strong support amongst all segments of the population didn’t dismiss certain groups.

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  36. Anne in swON says:

    Isn’t it more than a little strange that one of the founders of Leadnow.Ca is on Kathleen Wynne’s payroll as of a couple of months ago? This info comes from a @DrJacobsRad tweet. Adam Shedletzky is a Senior Policy Advisor at the Office of the Premier of Ontario.

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    • Liz J says:

      This can’t be allowed to go on. Is this not running interference with our electoral process?

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    • Greg says:

      Wynne herself came out of TDSB, a radical left organization. Butts was head of WWF Canada, which used to care about wildlife, but he turned it into a radical left wing climate change commie organization. Now this. Ontario is basically being governed by left wing extremist communists and the media just yawns. And no, I’m not exaggerating.

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  37. Liz J says:

    The Liberals are going to get more and more desperate, they’ll use any support they can get.
    We really need to clean out Queen’s Park. Unions and groups fighting to keep Wynne in are not for the common good, it’s all about what’s in it for them. How much closer to corruption can we get?

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  38. Florence Engelbrecht says:

    Happy St Patrick’s day. Keep up the good fight and we will win.

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  39. Miles Lunn says:

    There have been four polls since Ford was chosen and while he personally has not great numbers, they are way better than Wynne while Howarth seems to be liked but ignored and unknown. If an election were held today PCs would win a majority, however it is important not to get complacent as a lot can happen. A 15 point lead usually results in that party winning, but Lyn McLeod in 1995, Laurence Decore in Alberta in 1993, and Adrian Dix in 2013 in BC all had bigger leads and ended up losing so it is important to work hard and keep the momentum. I think the biggest risk is the left unites behind one party which will mean whichever party they choose will probably get around 35% of the vote and also if millennials show up en masse as while most Ontarioans over 50 want to swing rightward, about 70% of millennials want a progressive government. Off course millennials often don’t show up and I find the minority on the right are more likely to show up than the left wing majority so it could be a bigger win.

    It seems choosing Ford helped us in the 416 which has normally been a Liberal stronghold but hurt us elsewhere, however our lead in much of the rest of the province is big enough we still remain solidly ahead.

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    • Greg says:

      Horwath seems to be looking at buying the election. Free dental and pharmacare for all! No word on how this will be paid for.

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      • Liz J says:

        The NDP would never be concerned about where the money comes from….until they run out of it. The Wynne Liberals haven’t left much room for spending.

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        • Greg says:

          Actually, I forgot to mention, free tuition for all as well. I recall a piece by uber liberal Paul Wells of all people, showing that free tuition benefits the well off for the most part, and the logic made sense. The well off are more likely to ensure their kids work to get the grades to get into school, and (at least in Ontario), grants and loans are means tested. Making tuition free for all would largely benefit the wealthy, much like the BMW daycare benefit in Quebec.

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          • Miles Lunn says:

            A lot of NDP supporters want us to be more like the Nordic Countries which do have more generous programs and seem to do alright. But they forget, the Nordic Countries fund these through higher VATs (It’s 25% there), not higher corporate taxes (Corporate taxes are lower in all five Nordic Countries than Canada) or higher income taxes (top marginal rates are higher in Sweden and Denmark but only by a few points, around the same in Finland, while lower in Norway and Iceland). Also the cost of living is ridiculously expensive in the Nordic Countries. In addition they have different cultures than us so if we raised taxes to their levels we would get a massive brain drain. Otherwise if we copied them exactly and had similar cultures it might not work, but the NDP tend to cherry pick what they like and forget our culture is much different.

            That being said from the polls I’ve seen, the NDP and Liberals can pretty much only win if two things happen:
            1. The left coalesces around one party meaning the other gets obliterated.
            2. Millennials show up en masse as that is the only group where the PCs are struggling and only one who seems receptive to the two parties.

            That being said the PCs shouldn’t get complacent since we could easily end up with a minority and if that happens, I think the NDP and Liberals might gang up like the Greens and NDP did in BC to keep the PCs out.

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  40. ed says:

    I understand where Greg is coming from. For several years now, I’ve sensed an underlying current that appears to be orchestrated throughout North America that undermines our western democracy. You cannot help but have these thoughts when you see actions and ideas that seem so counter to our way of life. Yes, think lefties and socialism, etc.. Just thinking out loud here.

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  41. Liz J says:

    As the days are passing Ford is doing as I expected….he’s proving he’s the right choice for the job that needs to be done in Ontario. For once we got it right…it’s about time too.

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  42. Liz J says:

    Wynne is looking like someone who stayed too long at the fair, spent their wad and looking for a ride home.

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  43. Liz J says:

    On a lighter note, hope everyone who celebrated enjoyed St Paddy’s day, but not too much!

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  44. Liz J says:

    Has Sandy closed her blog?

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