Ontario ready to rebel against Premier Dad?

With an election looming in Ontario and several other provinces this fall, today’s Chantel Hebert column is very pertinent – Shifting provincial politics gives Harper the upper hand (Star).

She explores the historic changes in the recent federal election and speculates on how they might impact the upcoming provincial elections – and the eventual working dynamics between the premiers and Prime Minister Stephen Harper.

What particularly caught my interest in Hebert’s column was her mention of an apparent mood shift against elitism and towards populism which could very well explain what happened in Toronto:

…Looking at the May 2nd results, it is impossible to completely divorce from Mayor Rob Ford’s victory the return of the federal Conservatives to the city after a two-decade absence.

An attraction to populism rather than an ideological swing to the right may have tilted the balance in both outcomes. But the fact remains that twice over a six-month period, a significant section of the Toronto electorate embraced a less elite-driven less activist approach to governance.

The NDP was not totally immune to lingering Toronto municipal dynamics either.

Jack Layton — who emerged as the main opposition option in the days leading up to the federal vote — is closely identified with the opposition forces at Toronto City Hall. He sat on the municipal council in a previous life; last fall he campaigned on behalf of son Mike and some of his left-leaning seatmates.

On May 2nd in Toronto, the NDP did well where Ford had not while the Conservatives made their biggest inroads in the periphery of the downtown core.

 

Hebert suggests that the McGuinty Liberals might therefore have reason to be fearful, but may also cling to the “hope that voters stick to their longstanding practice of not putting their eggs in the same basket at Queen’s Park and in Ottawa when they go to the provincial polls next fall.”

This is where things start to get interesting though. First of all, the federal Conservative Party of Canada and provincial Progressive Conservative Party of Ontario are entirely different not only in jurisdiction but also in philosophy. I would argue that policy-wise the PCPO is very close to the OLP.

However what differentiates them is the Top-down elitist approach in which Dalton McGuinty uses/abuses his power. This is where I think Tim Hudak and the PC Party can make some traction.

Premier Dad has been telling us what to do for eight years now. The Nanny State of Ontario is a mess. There is little respect for the taxpayer and the average working family. It’s all about secret deals like Samsung and financially-crippling environmental policy being shoved down our throats.

Tim Hudak needs to exploit Dalton McGuinty’s arrogance and Father-Knows-Best attitude for all it’s worth. The working people are getting sick and tired of elitists. It’s time to rebel.

Eight years of Dalton McGuinty’s stifling parental approach is enough!

Let’s show him that we’re all grown up now.

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Related

Merriam: McGuinty’s Liberals likely next victim of ‘vote-against’ waveToronto Sun:

…There’s little likelihood voters will be in any better mood by then. And the Dalton Gang has provided an abundance of reasons why people will choose to show them the door.

The latest is the secret 1% deal with one public sector union, while government leaders were talking about wage and cost controls.

Not only is a secret deal anathema to a democracy, but this one also illustrates a government with the backbone of a garter snake. The Gang was willing to freeze the wages of non-union workers, where they knew they’d face little opposition.

But they ran scared of the unions doing nothing to control either negotiated or arbitrated wage settlements. The secret deal shows things were even worse than imagined.

The Gang has done other backroom deals, such as the one involving offshore electrical giant Samsung. The company is to bring green-sector jobs to Ontario, in exchange for sweetheart pricing and years of bonuses.

This deal is part of the green energy imbroglio in which the government finds itself. Even supporters of green energy don’t understand the above-market prices paid for power that regularly is sold out of province at discount rates because it isn’t needed

Ontario’s Liberals look for a way to winLee Greenberg, Ottawa Citizen:

In framing the discussion about energy in terms of health and education, the Liberals are relying on their two core policy strengths, both areas where voters have traditionally favoured them over their opponents. (Conservatives are typically trusted more on economic issues, including taxes.)

But Nanos says those hard and fast rules of past elections should be thrown out the window.

According to his latest poll numbers, the Conservatives are nearly tied with the Liberals when respondents were asked whom they trusted on health and education. An additional 30 to 40 per cent are not yet sure who to turn to on those issues.

And the negative signs are mounting...

Toronto Tory has more.

Ontario Liberals helped hospitals hide embarrassing information: criticsSocial Policy in Ontario

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61 Responses to Ontario ready to rebel against Premier Dad?

  1. Richco says:

    As much as I’m hoping for a conservative triple-play come October (Ford, Harper, Hudak), the forces of the Ont. Lib. oppo. team are already defining Hudak . Locally McGuinty’s already lost the election based only on the green energy/hydro and his neglect of rural/small school communities.

    However the NDP under Horwath are hot on Hudak’s heels and what with the results of the federal election the PCs and the NDP have momentum – it’s going to be another fight to the finish. Look at ridings in the federal election where the NDP came 2nd and
    I predict a contest between the PCs and the NDP for 1st and 2nd place. Also, the Greens in some rural/small/touristy type ridings did well federally too and might surprise us provincially.

    At the moment there’s a real sense of voter fatigue and really who can blame folks for that?

    Here’s an example below of how the oppo. is spinning Hudak.

    “TORONTO, May 13 /CNW/ – Senior PC MPP Frank Klees sits on the board of directors of an energy company that has filed an application for a FIT contract – a program that rookie leader Tim Hudak is so strongly opposed to that he says he will scrap it – for the Mar Wind Project; a huge 240 MW project on the Bruce Peninsula.

    Klees sits on the board of Tribute Resources and holds stock options in the company (MPP Public Disclosure Statements, 2010. Click on public disclosures>2010).

    Klees is thumbing his nose at his rookie leader in support of the McGuinty Liberal plan for Ontario to replace dirty coal with clean energy and make the province a world leader in clean energy jobs and innovation.

    Hudak’s short-sighted policy has drawn severe criticism from across the province, including from another senior PC MPP,Ernie Hardeman, who has already distanced himself from Hudak’s plan (St. Thomas Times-Journal, March 11, 2011).

    Klees and Hardeman join fellow PC caucus members who are critical of Hudak’s knifing of long-time caucus stalwart Norm Sterling to please radical right-winger Randy Hillier.

    Other caucus members who have distanced themselves from Hudak’s leadership include:

    Kitchener-Waterloo MPP Elizabeth Witmer who has openly criticized Hudak’s pledge to scrap the McGuinty Liberal full-day kindergarten program;

    Dufferin-Caledon MPP Sylvia Jones, who earlier this year contradicted her leader’s pledge to scrap the Ontario Health Premium, which would take more than $12 billion out of health care over the next four years; and,

    Whitby-Oshawa MPP Christine Elliott, who is an outspoken critic of Hudak’s plan to gut human rights protection in Ontario.

    Like many Ontarians, an increasing number of Hudak’s colleagues are realizing that Hudak is just not right for them.”

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    • Joanne says:

      Richco at 8:28 am – Agreed. This is a problem. The first thing the Hudak team needs to do before making any major announcement is to make sure the rest of the caucus is on board; and if not hash it out until they can come up with some consensus. After that they need to stick to their agreement when speaking to the media.

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  2. maz2 says:

    Ontario Liberal McGuinty’s socialism.

    The trap of socialism.

    Ontario is trapped in the bear-trap of socialism.

    Have we learned nothing? Are we doomed to be another Europe?

    The bait was: Vote socialism. Get free taxes.

    Here is the hook: “UK taxpayers will be on the hook for around £14billion if, as expected, EU finance ministers approve a £68billion rescue for Portugal on Monday.”

    …-

    “Europe’s warning of bigger bailout bills: Debt-crippled nations ‘may need extra cash'”

    Europe raised the spectre of a further round of multi-billion pound rescue packages yesterday after warning that its debt-crippled nations are sinking deeper into the mire.

    In a worrying economic health check, the European Commission predicted that debt levels in bailed-out Greece, Ireland and Portugal are expected to soar significantly higher than first thought.

    All three are trapped in vicious high unemployment levels, low economic growth and falling tax receipts, which will prevent governments from tackling their crippling national debts.”

    “The warning will raise fears that European nations, including Britain, will have to increase the £240billion of emergency support they has already extended to the stricken trio.

    UK taxpayers will be on the hook for around £14billion if, as expected, EU finance ministers approve a £68billion rescue for Portugal on Monday.

    The EC’s dire prognosis comes amid rising concerns that Greece and Ireland will have no choice but to default on a portion of their loans.

    Any move to re-negotiate their crippling debts could send tremors through financial markets every bit as severe as the turmoil triggered by the collapse of U.S. bank Lehman Brothers in 2008, experts said.”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1386915/Europes-warning-bigger-bailout-bills-Debt-crippled-nations-need-extra-cash.html

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  3. maz2 says:

    PET Cemetery Report.

    Of Red Tories, PET’s pets, and Democratic anti-semite Jimmah Carter.

    It’s a liberal-left truthers’ confessional.

    >>> ” met during the constitutional battles in the early 1990s.”

    …-

    “Pierre Trudeau was a friend, too. And Mr. Carter remembered with some mirth how in 1996 they ran into each other in Niagara Falls.

    “Pierre Trudeau happened to be there at the same time with a little girl about three years old,” he recalled. “I made the mistake of saying, ‘What a beautiful granddaughter.’ In a very nice way he told me she was not a granddaughter but his daughter.”

    He was referring to Sarah Coyne, who is now 20, and the former prime minister’s daughter from his relationship with Deborah Coyne, whom he had met during the constitutional battles in the early 1990s.”

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/jimmy-neutron-ex-president-carter-recalls-role-in-chalk-river-meltdown/article2021876/

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  4. Liz J says:

    At this point it doesn’t appear McGuinty is too worried about losing the election. After all, we thought for sure he was a goner last time but pulled the school funding Rabbit out of the hat thanks to a witless move by Tory.

    Hudak needs to be wary of what might be going on in the McGuinty camp, they’re a slick lot and probably have all their guns loaded with tricks to shoot out when the time is right.

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  5. Bec says:

    It appears as though some of those MPP’s referenced in Richco’s excerpt @8:28am were leadership candidates? Is that opinion or fact? Are these individuals publicly trying to sabotage their leader or is it simply wishful thinking put to pen?

    I would suggest that members and partisans send a message to those MPP’s that they don’t support their single-minded agenda’s and to knock it off.
    That certainly worked when rumours circulated via the agenda driven media re the supposed leadership hopefuls re PMSH during the coalition crisis.

    Ontario exists politically in a far to strong,union environment. That’s an uphill battle that doesn’t need help from rogue MPP’s.

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  6. Richco says:

    You’re right Joanne! Awesome post too by the way.

    Liz “Hudak needs to be wary of what might be going on in the McGuinty camp, they’re a slick lot and probably have all their guns loaded with tricks to shoot out when the time is right.”

    Exactly. Hoping that the PCs also have a very large back of tricks themselves and that they’re not afraid to use it.

    At this point, as much as I want it to be so, it’s not a slam-dunk for any of the three main parties. I do think though that McGuinty will lose the election I’m just not feeling that there’s a clear winner yet. That will likely change – I hope.

    This is going to sound weird but even as much as I’m a conservative I like Andrea Horwath – that worries me. She was on TVO this past week too. Her message was sound and she was saying the popular things – which as Hebert writes might be what attracts the electorate to the NDP?

    What’s becoming clear if the federal election is a hint is that it’s just as possible for the NDP to leapfrog the PCs if they run the right campaign. If the Tories take central Ontario & the 905 and the NDP take the north and cities the outcome will be very close.

    The PC’s are going to be fighting a two-front battle – Liberals and NDP nipping at their heels.

    The Liberals are toast. Ontario is burning through cash and adding (by the Dwight Duncan’s (Finance Minister) own numbers, $200 million to the provincial debt every WEEK!

    This next Ontario election will be a money election – how the Liberals abused it and wasted it. The choice for voters will be which party & leader do they trust to deal with their money – it’s Hudak of course, but maybe a minority?

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  7. Richco says:

    “it doesn’t appear McGuinty is too worried about losing the election.”

    Liz – he comes across as very arrogant. Saw him and his minister in clips from Niagara Falls yesterday and whenever I listen to him speak McGuinty sounds like he’s lecturing or preaching to children – not adult voters.

    In that way he’s morphing more into Michael Ignatieff than hanging on to Harper’s coat tails.

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    • Joanne says:

      Saw him and his minister in clips from Niagara Falls yesterday and whenever I listen to him speak McGuinty sounds like he’s lecturing or preaching to children – not adult voters.

      Yeah I’m hoping Ontario voters have had enough of Liberal arrogance.

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  8. Richco says:

    It just dawned on me as I was writing my last post that perhaps that “coalition” between the Libs/NDP will be at the provincial level?

    You don’t suppose that Michael Ignatieff stayed on at UofT so he could take a shot at the Provincial Liberal leadership??

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  9. Liz J says:

    Richco, I agree with your take on Andrea Horwath, Hudak could use some of her moxie.

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  10. Liz J says:

    Richco, my take on Ignatieff taking the U of T post is just a fill in so he can sneak out of town, out of the country unnoticed when it’s over.

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  11. Richco says:

    Liz – re: Horwath – I found myself agreeing with her – if I’m doing that then likely so are lots of other people.

    Hope you got lots of gardening done yesterday Joanne – raining here at the moment but the windows are open wide and that springtime after-rain smell is amazing.

    I think I’ll go putter around today.

    re: here’s a cooking question for you all – I have a freezer full of red currents which grow around our house. Other than jam has anyone got a recipe for a cake using them.
    I tried one off the internet but it flopped – I need a tried and true idea.

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  12. I have to admit, I don’t think the Ontario Liberals are “toast”. Tim Hudak, so far, has proven to be very uninspiring to me. Mike Harris and Stephen Harper, he is not.

    They have developed no real plan, and frankly, have lost a lot of funding support due to the John Tory days. I know Conservatives who refused to donate to them as long as Tory was leader.

    If the Ontario PC Party doesn’t get their head out of the sand soon, develop some real plans and real alternatives, they will be destined to the John Tory hinterlands they’ve experienced for the last 8 years. We can all hope, but I might as well vote for Dalton McGuinty and get real Liberals instead of wanna-be “progressive” conservatives.

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    • Joanne says:

      If the Ontario PC Party doesn’t get their head out of the sand soon, develop some real plans and real alternatives, they will be destined to the John Tory hinterlands they’ve experienced for the last 8 years.

      TT – What would you suggest as an example of some of those ‘real alternatives’ that you’d like to see?

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  13. By the way, my blog has moved. Blogger took a big fat crap so I moved everything to WordPress – I should have started with WordPress anyway.

    Below is the link, update your bookmarks!

    http://thetrustytory2.wordpress.com

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  14. Jen says:

    O/T,

    Our neighbors to the right

    U.S. Republicans can learn a thing or two from Canadian Conservatives

    By Reihan Salam Friday, May 6, 2011

    Close your eyes for a moment and imagine a world in which there was no housing bubble, the global financial crisis barely caused a ripple, the federal deficit was small and shrinking fast, job and wage growth were picking up speed, the trillion-dollar wars of the last decade had never happened, and a massive energy boom was minting millionaires. As it happens, this isn’t an idle fantasy. It is an only slightly embroidered description of Canada, our neighbor to the north. Canada’s robust economy is the big reason the country’s voters gave Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s Conservatives a bigger-than-expected majority in this week’s parliamentary elections.

    Read on:
    http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/05/06/050611-opinions-column-canada-salam-1-2/

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  15. Jen says:

    O/T,
    American Republicans urged to look north at Stephen Harper campaign for inspiration
    By Andy Radia | Canada Politics – Wed, 11 May, 2011

    ‘While the Republican Party in the United States gears up for the 2012 presidential election, many in the media are encouraging the GOP to look north for inspiration.’

    Read on:http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/canada-politics/american-republicans-urged-look-north-stephen-harper-campaign-183724877.html

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  16. First of all – I would like to let everyone know, as most of you do, I have Tory blue running through my veins and I will for the life of me.

    I also respect that we can differ on opinions and not result to name calling and backstabbing like our Liberal friends on the other side. I respect all of you and am glad we are all under the same tent.

    My issue is that the PCs are afraid of linking themselves with the days of Mike Harris. Everyone, including Liberals, acknowledge that he was an effective leader, a machine and kept his promises. Everytime I bring up his name that’s what I hear.

    John Tory shifted from that thought. Hudak is reserved in the same thing. Why not go on the PC record? How revenues were increased while taxes were cut?

    I understand that we need “positive” to go on, but the PCs, so far, have done nothing but complain and be negative every step of the way. Start campaigning! Start acting like a government-in-waiting!

    Promise to cut taxes. Eliminate the health levy. Actually commit to looking into the HST and scrapping it, even at a penalty. Cut the fat in the public service – and it doesn’t start with the rank-in-file. Begin with the fat cat managers, who need assistants, who need assistants, who have assistants, who need an assistant. Promise to invest in parks, wildlife, etc while getting rid of these stupid green eco-nonsense stuff. Scrap the eco-fees at Walmart. Make teachers actually work instead of pandering to their union for votes. (Remember during Harris they stopped with their “extra-curriculars” as a voice of protest? Yeah, they never started again, even with McGuinty.) Offer tax incentives. Develop plans to make Ontario a have province again…the list goes on.

    Maybe I’ll feel better once the campaign starts, but I got my hopes up in 2007 and was hopelessly let down. I do not want that to happen again.

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    • Joanne says:

      Trusty Tory – I hear ya. I don’t think I could stand a third term of McGuinty. It would be sickening.

      BTW readers are encouraged to follow this discussion at TT’s own blog as well.

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  17. I do agree – but his internal poll numbers are telling him something, which is why he is actually going to run in this election and not resign. That is scary in itself – Hudak needs to get this thing rolling, and he needs to campaign before he campaigns. I’m not trying to be negative, just realistic.

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    • Joanne says:

      I do agree – but his internal poll numbers are telling him something, which is why he is actually going to run in this election and not resign

      Ah you mean McGuinty. Yeah well. It would be too late for a Liberal leadership race now anyway, unless Ignatieff wants to jump in there. 😉 That was Richco’s idea. Heh.

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  18. (Thanks for the plug, by the way)

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  19. Yeah, but honestly – we know that when Premiers think they’re going to lose, they don’t run. Well, except Christie Clark in British Columbia – but that was a face-saving exercise. I am really worried which is why I am saying all of this, that’s all.

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  20. Bec says:

    Fixing the Ontario mess is a daunting task and will need someone with moxie so if what TT is suggesting has any roots, Hudak needs to up his game, big time.

    What is with the left wing media anyway? Why would they give the gravy train Dad so much credit? What’s in it for them? Are they not suffering under his tenure too?

    As well I question why on earth Ontario would even consider an NDP govt. I don’t care how charismatic she is, she is still a Dipper and that spells crazy.

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  21. Liz J says:

    Yeah, put me in the worry line as well. I just can’t see McGuinty running if he thought he might lose, however he can’t back out now, too late, the old Liberal arrogance got him this far, it’s up to the voters. Now if he can just get that one issue that trumps all others…..

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  22. Well put, Bec, you hit the nail on the head with regards to the NDP.

    Maybe I’m nostalgic, but lessons can be learned from the Ontario election of 1995, when Mike Harris proved himself to be the guy who could bail Ontario out of the Bob Rae NDP mess. Hudak and his PCs should essentially reinvent that Common Sense Revolution.

    Even Ontario, Toronto for that matter, shifted in favour of Stephen Harper. That means they want someone strong and capable to fix this economic mess. The voters will do just that if Hudak does things properly.

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  23. McGuinty would have seen the writing on the wall months ago if he thought he were going to lose, like all losing leaders tend to do, which would have given lots of time for a leadership convention. But that didn’t happen – he sees something, and as a result, I see something too. Hudak needs to up the ante huge.

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    • Joanne says:

      I was just looking for latest polling results and came across this article from the Ottawa Citizen:

      …A recent survey by Nanos Research put McGuinty’s approval rating at 22.1 per cent, an ultralow rating that reflects the toll a rising cost of living -including the new harmonized sales tax and climbing electricity bills -is taking on his government...

      Maybe McGuinty’s internal pollsters are more optimistic but I see a problem right now for them. (And I need a shred of hope to cling to.)

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  24. maz2 says:

    Take a tip from Taliban Jacques Bloc:

    New name = Socialist Party.
    …-

    “B.C. Liberal Party eyes name change

    Vancouver Sun – Jonathan Fowlie – ‎6 hours ago‎

    Hoping to further distance itself from an unpopular past, the BC Liberal Party is contemplating a name change. The idea was raised Friday by party stalwart and former finance minister Colin Hansen, …”

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  25. Well, that’s definitely good news!! I would put more stock into them closer to election day, but that being said – we all saw how accurate the polls were during the federal election. So stay away from EKOS polls. 😉

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  26. maz2 says:

    Of Socialist McGuinty’s Red-Green Fraud.

    Germany:

    “Brandenburg’s State Premier Matthias Platzeck says his state alone can’t save the world’s atmosphere. Meanwhile the country may fall by the wayside as a testing ground for “clean coal.””

    “Germany’s carbon storage plans provoke backlash”

    “Swedish energy giant Vattenfall says by 2020 it can build coal plants which bury liquefied CO2 emissions below ground, but finding reservoirs and skirting public defiance are still the main obstacles in Germany.”

    “In the eastern part of Germany’s Brandenburg state, citizens have taken to hanging signs reading “We’re no guinea pigs” on their garden fences. They’re upset about plans to store liquid carbon dioxide in the earth below their homes.

    It’s a process known as Carbon Capture and Storage, or CCS, in which greenhouse gas emissions are isolated and pressed below ground in liquid form.

    Hans-Georg von der Marwitz, who represents eastern Brandenburg in parliament, says he’s not convinced Swedish energy giant Vattenfall will ever succeed in building their planned CCS coal-fired power plant there.

    “That’s primarily because of the citizens here in the region who are making it clear that risky technologies should not and cannot have a place in our future,” he told Deutsche Welle.

    The fear is that CO2 could leak into ground water and poison it, or force its way to the surface, where at best it would defeat the purpose of capturing it and at worst asphyxiate unsuspecting passersby.

    Competing with renewables

    But not everyone vilifies CCS technology. Others say it improves the viability of coal power and protects us against the consequences of global warming.”

    http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,15074923,00.html

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  27. jon says:

    It’s easy to see why the McLiar Libs have become so cocky and arrogant, at least up until the May 2nd vote. Toronto has never punished Libs at any level before. And McLiar developed a false sense of security that resulted from a couple of by-election wins in the city where his Libs easily held onto seats in landslide fashion in spite of growing scandals and controversies plaguing the party and a record of tax increases and broken promises to go along with it. Those by-elections wins, BTW, were in St Paul’s and Toronto-Centre — 2 ridings easily won by Iggy’s Libs so you can see how and why McLiar had felt he’d been given a free pass by the electorate over all his govt’s troubles. It doesn’t matter what Libs do. St Paul’s and TO-Centre will always elect them no matter what, it seems.

    As it pertains to Ontario having a history of not voting for conservatives to run both levels of govt simultaneously, I think that’s just happenstance and nothing more. I don’t think Ontarians are voting strategically like that. And even if that is the case then the more often such a thing occurs, the more likely that cycle is to be broken at some point. It just can’t go on like that. And voters will be judging McLiar and his govt on their sorry record of scandals, lies and broken promises, not on which party is in govt in Ottawa. The only question that remains, IMO, is the same asked in the fed election — conservative minority or majority?

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  28. “As it pertains to Ontario having a history of not voting for conservatives to run both levels of govt simultaneously, I think that’s just happenstance and nothing more.”

    Exactly. The PCs ran Ontario for 42 years. Look at the Diefenbaker and early Mulroney governments. It was political posturing that ended that with the “Bob Rae” Accord of 1985. It’s just a fluke that the media grab onto to try and influence the vote.

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  29. Richco says:

    Bec “As well I question why on earth Ontario would even consider an NDP govt. I don’t care how charismatic she is, she is still a Dipper and that spells crazy.”

    We never thought in a million years that the NDP would do as well federally either and look what happened. Horvath is saying all of the right things and setting herself and her party up at the moment with policies that very much DO provide one alternative to McGuinty. Hard as it is for me to admit it too – (also a long-time Ontario PC) – Horwath is easier to listen to than Hudak currently. I don’t know why but if you want to know what I’m talking about go to the TVO website and under The Agenda I’m pretty sure they have the episodes from last week up to watch. Look for the one with Horwath – she was on with Caplan(who I can’t stand) and two PC support guys.

    Trusty Tory “I don’t think the Ontario Liberals are “toast”. – let me qualify by saying that in context with what I wrote they’re toast IF the PCs and NDP run better campaigns and get out in front of the Liberal spin machine. Horwath’s doing that – I don’t see Hudak doing so. His sound bites are sounding too cliche and he really needs to stop saying “middle-class families” every second sentence.

    TT wrote “My issue is that the PCs are afraid of linking themselves with the days of Mike Harris. Everyone, including Liberals, acknowledge that he was an effective leader, a machine and kept his promises. Everytime I bring up his name that’s what I hear.”

    EXACTLY RIGHT! it’s the wrong move in my opinion. You’d think they would have learned lessons from the Eve’s campaign. Truth be told we have folks out here still angry that the Eve’s crew publicly distanced themselves from Harris – same with Tory and many of those folks turned their backs on the party and never came back to this day.

    “but lessons can be learned from the Ontario election of 1995,…”

    With all due respect TT, Bec and all this is not 1995 Ontario. It’s worse. If the NDP can work into their campaign narrative the McGuinty did a WORSE job than Rae in sinking Ontario and looking forward from their to their policies they stand a good chance of being a definite contender.

    What’s very ironic to me is the way during the last campaign the Liberal spin machine crapped all over John Tory’s fb schools suggesting that they would create divisions in our public schools, instead of keeping schools multi-cultural melting pots – yet under McGuinty’s watch there have been more “alternative” schools based on culture/religion etc cropping up in many of the large school boards – Africentric schools, Mandarin, the Portuguese community now wants their own school – and McGuinty’s quietly letting it all happen under the public system.

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  30. Richco says:

    “As it pertains to Ontario having a history of not voting for conservatives to run both levels of govt simultaneously, I think that’s just happenstance and nothing more.”

    I don’t think we can count on history repeating itself if the results of the federal election are to be considered.

    The Liberals aka WK are already using that line but it’s not going to work this time because maybe voters have had it up to HERE with political tradition and our history and want to make their own history by forcing change through their votes.

    I was going to give an example of a clear breakdown in communication between riding assn. and PC HQ that affected us here this past week but let’s just say that it’s getting to the point sometimes when I’ve listened to long time PC volunteers say the they’ve learned not to depend on HQ because they’ve been historically bad at coordinating when it counts. You’d think that by now those kinds of things would have been ironed out.

    I also worry about the people around and advising Hudak who also advised Eves/Tory – they are many and could also be working against our efforts on the ground – I hope not but as we’re speculating and it continues to pour here this discussion needs to happen on forums like this.

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  31. maz2 says:

    The road* of the Red Tory/socialist McGuinty coalition.

    It’s time to get mean and angry with the socialist McGuinty/Red Tory coalition.

    Is Hudak a Red Tory Tory?

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    *Where socialism ends: “an atmosphere verging on panic.”

    “The EU’s troubles pose a dilemma for Britain”

    “Telegraph View: Britain never joined the euro or signed up to Schengen, but that won’t stop us getting involved in the current crises.”

    “The restructuring of national debt and the manning of international borders might appear, on the face of it, to be only distantly related subjects. But look at what is happening in the European Union. Just as it becomes clear that the EU’s rescue of Greece has failed, thus threatening the future of the eurozone, the European project to abolish internal borders via the Schengen agreement has run into desperate trouble. Two central pillars of the European Union – the single currency and passport-free travel – are tottering simultaneously. Britain, as it happens, has signed up to neither. But the European crisis nevertheless has profound implications for our political and economic future.

    European finance ministers will meet in Brussels on Monday and Tuesday. They do so in an atmosphere verging on panic. Last year’s bail-out of Greece has not worked: European taxpayers have thrown 110 billion euros at the country, but it is not enough; as Greece drowns in debt, the structure of government itself is beginning to fail. There is no easy solution. Indeed, a vicious row has broken out between Germany and the European Central Bank over two rival solutions, both of them hazardous. German politicians favour a restructuring of Greece’s debt, an expensive move that would inflict damage on holders of Greek bonds but should safeguard the German banking system, which is on the hook for a colossal sum. The ECB, in contrast, predicts that restructuring the debt would put the whole European banking system under strain, and could even cause it to collapse. It wants to hand out more loans in return for more Greek austerity; quite how it expects to persuade European taxpayers to throw good money after bad is not clear, nor how long it believes such economic life support can be prolonged.

    In short, the only thing that is clear is that the eurozone is in an almighty mess. A modern, dynamic core – both France and Germany yesterday posted blistering growth figures – is yoked to a bankrupt periphery.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/telegraph-view/8513260/The-EUs-troubles-pose-a-dilemma-for-Britain.html

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  32. wilson says:

    Scrapping the HST……. better to reduce the provincial portion of the HST, follow PMSHs plan to reduce by 1% now and another 1% down the road.

    Does Ontario still have that rediculous land transfer tax?
    If so, cut it to reduce the cost of buying/selling a home.

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    • Joanne says:

      better to reduce the provincial portion of the HST, follow PMSHs plan to reduce by 1% now and another 1% down the road.

      I agree Wilson.

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  33. wilson says:

    Don’t ignore that we just came thru the great global meltdown,
    blaming Dahlton for the ‘have not’ status will get you as far as it did Iffy blaming PMSH for the deficit… nowhere.

    Dahlton’s ‘experiments’ during this down turn did not work, just cost a bundle of taxpayer money.
    Perhaps Hudak needs to send a ‘stick to the basics’ kind of campaign, not more Premier Dad experiments with your money.

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    • Joanne says:

      Perhaps Hudak needs to send a ‘stick to the basics’ kind of campaign, not more Premier Dad experiments with your money.

      Ah yes. Exactly. Competent stewardship like PM Harper.

      But I do think the ‘have-not’ stick is still worth beating Dalton with because not all provinces had their economies tank at the same rate; even though that same global meltdown was going on for all of them.

      (Of course, you’re the numbers person Wilson. 😉 You probably have an impressive list of stats with which to respond.)

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  34. Richco says:

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/adam-radwanski/a-political-football-coloured-green/article2022212/

    Here’s a bit of a taste of how the McGuinty camp will try to define Hudak.

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    • Joanne says:

      Richco at 2:30 pm – So the Liberal strategy seems to be that they will attempt to paint the Tories as the ‘dirty coal’ party. Well if that’s all they’ve got I say bring it on!

      BTW Radwanski is a Liberal and even he seems skeptical about the Samsung deal.

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  35. jad says:

    I suspect McGuinty thought that after the federal election there would be a Liberal/NDP coalition in Ottawa, and that this would help his campaign. Didn’t quite work out like that though …. 🙂 🙂 🙂

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  36. Bec says:

    Now that makes sense jad @2:46pm. Way more sense than thinking Daddy Dalton has an inside track or is listening all of a sudden.

    Re the ‘Dad’ being Green……that only matters if someone else is paying the freight. If it hits ‘YOUR’ pocketbook, all bets are off.

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    • Joanne says:

      Now that makes sense jad @2:46pm. Way more sense than thinking Daddy Dalton has an inside track or is listening all of a sudden.

      Ah-hah. Yes that could be true.

      BTW that video that Toronto Tory posted at Trusty Tory’s is really worth watching. I think Tim Hudak is doing quite well. He really gets going around the 4 minute mark.

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  37. Liz J says:

    It’s a blah and rainy day, good for nuthin’ so I just sneaked over to Kinsella’s nook and surprise!! He’s “quietly confident McGuinty will win”.

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    • Joanne says:

      Liz – Just checked that out myself. I hope WK continues to stay ‘quietly confident’ and doesn’t invest much energy into this election.

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  38. Sandy says:

    Going along with this topic, just a heads up that my new site is now fully operating and is called “The Education News Blog.”

    My latest post is about how the Toronto District School Board actually kicked out a student with autism, who is also non-verbal. Amazing when you think about it. Legislation is clear — school boards must provide an appropriate program or placement. Unless of course you are a bully and an abuser and the school board bends over backwards.

    Anyway, I am no longer on the BT aggregator at my request since I am going to be writing almost exclusively about educational issues — although I will still be McGuinty gov’t bashing.

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    • Joanne says:

      Anyway, I am no longer on the BT aggregator at my request since I am going to be writing almost exclusively about educational issues — although I will still be McGuinty gov’t bashing.

      Atta girl Sandy! 😉

      I’ve updated my links accordingly.

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  39. maz2 says:

    Socialist McGuinty’s Red-Green fraud exposed for what it is: Fraud.

    …-

    “”Anything is possible says:”

    “Wow, just wow!

    The GISS dataset has been systematically altered so that past temperatures have been adjusted downwards during periods of warming, and upwards during periods of cooling. I can think of no scientific reason whatsoever that could possibly justify this.

    As Pat Frank points out, even though the adjustments are small, the impact is huge because it suppresses the range of (presumably) natural variability that has occurred in the past, making any changes that have happened recently, or may happen in the future appear far more significant than they probably are.

    How much of a problem can Global Warming really be if they have to resort to this kind of chicanery?”

    “Pat Frank: The New Science of Climate Change”

    “Guest post by John A.

    This is a shout-out to a fascinating post by Pat Frank on Jeff Id’s blog on the mysterious changes to climate history coming from James Hansen’s GISS dataset. Here’s how Pat describes it:

    I’ve just had a guest post on Jeffid’s the Air Vent, showing that between 1988 and 2010 there is a strange mutability in the trend of global air temp as produced by GISS, under Jim Hansen’s by-line.

    Folks here might be interested. According to GISS, in 1988 the early 20th century warmed at about the same rate as the late 20th century. By 1999, the late 20th century warmed 2.3 times faster, increasing to 2.8 times faster by 2010.

    This increase in rate wasn’t due to an accelerating late 20th century trend. It’s mostly due to modifications of the 1880-1920 record.

    Do the systematic changes show an increasingly sophisticated understanding of early 20th century natural variability? A better perception, perhaps, of UHI effects or station site inhomogeneities? None of that seems likely.

    Rather, it seems more likely that anthropogenic climate change has much more to do with the climate data than it does with the climate itself.

    Well worth a read.”

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/05/14/pat-frank-the-new-science-of-climate-change/

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    “Ont. green project may kill endangered species”

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story/2011/05/12/ontario-green-endangered.html

    “Ontario to become hub for “green” jet fuel”

    “If you’re someone who regularly flies to Europe, expect to be hit next year with a new carbon charge.”

    “Choosing the cleaner-fuel route means securing a reliable source, and this is where Los Angeles-based Rentech Inc. enters the picture. The company announced earlier this week that it plans to build a $500 million renewable jet fuel refinery in Sault St. Marie, which would create up to 400 jobs. The refinery will be called the Olympiad Renewable Energy Centre and produce more than 85 million litres a year.

    Rentech wants to turn forest waste and certain unmarketable tree species into jet fuel by turning the biomass into a synthesis gas, and converting that into biofuel that could replace kerosene jet fuel.

    The syngas conversion will be based on a Fischer-Tropsch process, which for all you trivia lovers out there was used by the Nazis during World War II to turn coal into liquid fuel.

    The news last week, which got surprisingly little coverage, is that the Ontario government will give Rentech access to 1.1 million cubic meters of crown timber in the Sault St. Marie area. With this biomass available, Rentech has enough supply to justify building its refinery, which could be operating by the end of 2015.

    “This project is significant,” said Hunt Ramsbottom, the company’s chief executive. “This is the largest crown award ever in Ontario.”

    http://www.thestar.com/business/article/990388–ontario-to-become-hub-for-green-jet-fuel

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  40. Fay says:

    You have some great references up today Maz2. Thanks.

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  41. Mary T says:

    OT, but Craig Oliver just made another slip of the tongue re leadership chaos in the liberal party, he said you can’t imagine the angst going on in the conservative party over this issue. (paraphrased, except for the word conservative party) and the host never corrected him. It was on ctvnc.

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    • Joanne says:

      he said you can’t imagine the angst going on in the conservative party over this issue.

      Mary T – I just heard that! Poor old Owliver. I think the last election did him in.

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  42. maz2 says:

    “It’s over, Rover
    The only ones who don’t know the LPC is dead is the LPC. Please shut off the lights on your way out and please don’t forget to leave a cheque on the table for the $40,000,000 you still owe us for adscam. Thanks, Mr. and Mrs. Canada.”

    …-

    PET Cemetery Report>

    Please note: We Have Vacancies.

    …-

    “Liberals consider delaying leadership vote”

    http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110514/liberal-leadership-vote-delay-110514/20110514/?hub=CalgaryHome

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    • Joanne says:

      “It’s over, Rover
      The only ones who don’t know the LPC is dead is the LPC

      And the fawning media.

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  43. Liz J says:

    Listening to the “fawning media” with all their concern for what the shell that’s left of the LPC is doing, musing/agonizing over what they’re going to do, who they should or might choose to lead them tells us they’re an active arm of the party, not so silent partners.

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  44. Moebius says:

    “The syngas conversion will be based on a Fischer-Tropsch process, which for all you trivia lovers out there was used by the Nazis during World War II to turn coal into liquid fuel.”

    Wow. You Godwined yourself on the F-T process, by mentioning the Nazis. Truly amazing. Science is so evil.

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  45. Moebius says:

    The Harris legacy is nothing to be feared by the current provincial Conservatives. Two majorities in a row, the third ruined by Ernie Eves, backing away from conservative principles. Demonized only by his opponents, and some supporters have now bought into it. Ironically, the Stronachs seem to think he’s worthy, despite Belinda’s dalliance with the Liberals.

    Ontarians are ready for fiscal conservatism.

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    • Joanne says:

      Ironically, the Stronachs seem to think he’s worthy, despite Belinda’s dalliance with the Liberals.

      Yes I saw that too. Good for him.

      Ontarians are ready for fiscal conservatism.

      Agreed.

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